沙特人即將到中國旅游，想了解中國人對沙特人的看法。網友回復：從我的中國朋友那得知，他們覺得沙特人就像“金主爸爸”

From few Chinese friends I know that they perceived as rich daddies ? by Most-Cap5385(19

從我認識的幾個中國朋友那兒得知，他們覺得沙特人就像“金主爸爸”

Assalamualaikum. All I want to say is...have fun lol.To me you guys are cool and rich .BTW If you ever visit Guangzhou, don't forget to stop by at 光塔寺, AKA Masjid Huaisheng. This is the OLDEST mosque in China with a history of 1300 years. ? by Fc1145141919810(14

阿薩拉姆阿來庫姆！只想說……玩得開心就好（笑）。對我來說，你們又酷又有錢。順便說一句，如果你有機會去廣州，一定別錯過光塔寺，也叫懷圣寺。這是中國最古老的清真寺，有1300年的歷史！

That sounds extremely interesting I will add it to my itinerary. I googled it and it looks absolutely
That is as old as Islam, the timeline sounds.... unlikely lol ? by MmmIceCreamSoBAD

聽起來太有意思了，我一定加入行程！我查了下照片，看起來確實……不過這和伊斯蘭教本身的歷史一樣長啊，這時間線聽起來……不太可能吧（笑）。

Arabs were already actively trading with China at the time of Muhammad and there were Muslims in China [within a few decades of the start of Islam]. Guangzhou was a major port and one of the most prominent trading posts. The dating of the this mosque is "legendary" and the exact establishment is debated, but Islam in China is pretty much "as old as Islam". ? by blorg(3

在穆罕默德還在世時，阿拉伯人就已活躍于與中國的貿易。伊斯蘭教傳入中國，大約是在它誕生后幾十年內完成的。廣州作為重要港口，是中外貿易的樞紐之一。雖然這座清真寺“1300年歷史”的說法是帶有傳奇色彩的，確切建造時間有爭議，但“伊斯蘭教在中國幾乎與伊斯蘭教本身一樣古老”這一說法還是有一定根據(jù)的。

I realize they were trading and official contact between China and the Muslim world was a few decades after Muhammad (PBUH) died. But Muhammad (PBUH) was alive 1400 years ago. Saying a mosque in China is >1300 years old is.... unlikely, to say the least. Muslim communities formed over the next 150-200 years but saying 1300 years is quite specific. The timeline just doesn't make sense to me, I doubt there were enough Muslims to be building a mosque that would have withstood the test of time in China over 1300 years ago. Especially since so little historical buildings have survived at all in China since they built out of wood and had lots of wars where cities were burned to the ground constantly.Like that would be a top 10 oldest mosque still in use. In China of all places? Like itd be nice if it was true but I just doubt it, historically speaking. ? by MmmIceCreamSoBAD

我理解當時確實有貿易往來，中國與伊斯蘭世界的正式接觸是在穆罕默德去世后幾十年。不過穆罕默德是1400年前的人，說一座中國的清真寺有1300年歷史……很難令人信服。穆斯林社群是在接下來150-200年才逐漸成形的，1300年這個數(shù)字太具體了。而且考慮到中國的歷史建筑多為木結構，戰(zhàn)亂頻繁，留存至今的極少。如果這是真的，它將是全球最古老的在用清真寺之一。能是真的當然很好，但從歷史角度講，我很懷疑。

As a rule, stuff that is "1,300 years old" in China doesn't mean the actual physical building is 1,300 years old, or exactly as it was then, but that there was a historical building there which it has continuity with. Buildings are continually maintained and renovated. This particular mosque was rebuilt in 1350 then again in 1695 after being destroyed in a fire, and the prayer hall in 1935, so the building isn't 1,300 years old.1,300 years is a "legendary" date, it is possible it dates to a few centuries later.The Great Mosque of Guangzhou, known also as Huaisheng Mosque (Memorial of the Holy Prophet) or the Guangta Mosque (Light Tower Mosque), is thought to be the earliest surviving mosque in China and has the earliest freestanding minaret in China. Manuscxts from 1206 claim that the mosque was built by an uncle of the Prophet, Abi Waqqas, on the first Muslim mission to China in the 630s. However, it is more certain that a mosque was first built here during the Tang Dynasty, or in the early years of the Song Dynasty. The mosque was entirely rebuilt in 1350 during the Yuan dynasty under the rule of Zhizheng (1341-1368), and rebuilt again in 1695 under Emperor Kangzi of the Qing dynasty, after being destroyed in a fire.? by blorg

在中國，所謂“有1300年歷史”的建筑，往往不意味著現(xiàn)存的物理結構就是1300年前建的，而是這塊地上最初建了這樣一座建筑，后人不斷修繕與重建，延續(xù)至今。這座清真寺曾在1350年重建，1695年在火災后又重建，1935年又重建了祈禱大廳，所以目前的建筑并非原物。廣州的這座清真寺又名懷圣寺或光塔寺，被認為是中國現(xiàn)存最早的清真寺，擁有中國最早的獨立宣禮塔。1206年的手稿稱該寺由穆罕默德的叔叔瓦卡斯在公元630年代首次赴中傳教時建造。不過，較為可靠的說法認為它建于唐代，或最早在宋代初年。此后經歷過數(shù)次重建。

That would make more sense. I realize for some stuff this old it's a 'claim' or that there's the paradox of the ship (if you replace every plank over time is it the same ship?).I'm sure it's historically significant I'm just saying 1300 years (even if the building has been replaced multiple times) would make it VERY old in the context of Islamic history. Like decades off from the black mosque in Mecca you see Muslims doing the Hajj around (that Muhammad PBUH himself lived in) . ? by MmmIceCreamSoBAD(2

這樣就說得通了。確實，關于這種歷史悠久的建筑很多都是“傳說版本”，也可以理解為“忒修斯之船悖論”——如果你逐漸替換了整艘船的每一塊木板，它還算是原來的那艘船嗎？我當然承認這座清真寺有重要的歷史地位，只是單純覺得1300年這個具體數(shù)字有點夸張——那幾乎和麥加黑石清真寺差不多年代了，那可是穆罕默德親自參與的清真寺。

I honestly don't want to be mean but...when we Tang Dynasty Chinese were trading with Arab Muslims, what were you medi Europeans even doing? I don't think it is appropriate for you to question the histories of the two great civilizations. Sorry bud. I was trying to be polite but I feel like I have to let it out. ? by Fc1145141919810(3

我本不想不客氣……但你知道唐代中國人已經和阿拉伯穆斯林做生意的時候，你們中世紀歐洲人還在干嘛嗎？我本來是想客氣點的，但現(xiàn)在真的忍不住要說出來。兩大文明的歷史，不是隨便就能質疑的

You are very rude, blocked.I'm not questioning any civilization I'm questioning the history of a single building. ? by MmmIceCreamSoBAD(-2

你太沒禮貌了，我拉黑你了。我質疑的是一座建筑的歷史，不是任何文明。

Bro...have you ever heard of the Maritime Silk Road? Do you know how many Arab Muslims stayed in Guangzhou during Tang Dynasty? It’s one of the oldest mosques in China, built by Arab traders and travellers along the Maritime Silk Road. The mosque’s iconic minaret even served as a lighthouse for Persian & Arab ships. Chinese records such as the Old Book of Tang, Guangzhou Chronicles, and the diaries of Muslim travellers (Sulayman’s Voyage, 851 AD) also confirm its existence. Even UNESCO recognizes its significance. Denying its age is like denying Rome’s Colosseum was built by the Romans... it's just embarrassingly wrong.Edit: oh and this one too Hugh R. Clark "Muslims and Hindus in the Culture and Morphology of Quanzhou from the Tenth to the Thirteenth Century" ? by Fc1145141919810(2

兄弟……你聽說過“海上絲綢之路”嗎？你知道唐代有多少阿拉伯穆斯林留在廣州嗎？這座清真寺正是阿拉伯商人和旅行者沿海上絲路建立的，它的宣禮塔甚至曾被用作波斯和阿拉伯船只的燈塔。中國史料如《舊唐書》《廣州志》以及穆斯林旅行家的記載（如蘇萊曼的《851年航海記》）都確認了它的存在。**聯(lián)合國教科文組織（UNESCO）**也承認其歷史意義。否認它的歷史地位就像否認羅馬斗獸場是羅馬人建的一樣……簡直令人尷尬。補充：可參考 Hugh R. Clark 的研究《十至十三世紀泉州的穆斯林與印度教徒文化形態(tài)》。

No Islam is over 1400 years old ? by Aggorf12345

伊斯蘭教確實已經1400多年歷史了。
There's a Chinese saying about Arabs from recent years: "頭上頂塊布，全球我最富"

Roughly translates to: "Cloth on my head, I am the richest on Earth." ? by musapher(9

近些年中國人對阿拉伯人的一種說法是：“頭上頂塊布，全球我最富?！?br />
Hahahaha that's funny truly. ? by omeero90(2

哈哈哈，太搞笑了，確實。

If you ask the average Chinese person, they'd probably say "Rich people, filthy rich..." and also, hardcore Muslims. Though most regular folks don't understand the difference between Sunnis and Shias - I'm not googling it right now but I think Saudi is Sunni? If you ask people who are into politics and history, they'd mention the war over a thousand years ago where China lost Central Asia. But relations have been peaceful ever since. ? by Sorry_Sort6059(8

如果你去問普通中國人，他們大概會說“有錢人，超級有錢……”另外，大家也覺得沙特人是那種非常虔誠的穆斯林。當然，一般人其實并不了解遜尼派和什葉派的區(qū)別——我沒查但印象中沙特是遜尼派吧？
如果你去問那些對政治和歷史感興趣的人，他們可能會提到中國在一千多年前的中亞戰(zhàn)爭中失敗的那一段歷史。但自那之后中沙關系一直算和平。

Arabs didn't hold that long in Central Asia either. The Tibetans took over followed by the Turkic folks.
I guess the only legacy left by the Arabs in Central Asia is the religion. ? by Fc1145141919810(4

不過阿拉伯人在中亞的統(tǒng)治也沒有維持太久，后來是藏人、突厥人接管了。阿拉伯人在中亞留下的唯一遺產，大概也就是宗教了。

There are two types of people in Saudi: rich people and super rich people.The Saudis has nothing else but money ? by Junior_Injury_6074(5

沙特人分兩種：有錢人，和超級有錢人。沙特除了錢什么都沒有。

False we also have an abundance of sand and heat ? by omeero90(4

錯了，我們還有很多沙子和熱浪。

The top does, not everyone lol ? by Due_Capital_3507(3

中國人主要是對“頂層”沙特人有印象，不是所有人啦（笑）。

People can't tell nationalities, so depending on how you look, they may think you are Arab, Indian, Persian, or even White.In big cities, people may give you a look or two, but generally, no one will care much. People could even come up and help you without being asked (that'll depend on your luck though).In smaller cities, you'll be the centre of attention, but most people don't go to small Chinese cities when visiting China. ? by Putrid_Line_1027(5

大多數(shù)人其實分不清國家身份。你長得像什么，就會被認為是什么 —— 阿拉伯人、印度人、波斯人、甚至白人。在大城市可能有人多看你一眼，但基本沒人會太在意。運氣好還會有人主動幫你。但在小城市，你可能會成為“焦點”，不過一般游客也不會去那些地方。

I'm staying in a near by country at the moment and I'm still getting used to differentiating nationalities "still not very good at it" so no judgment from me. I think it's absolutely normal that people can't tell if they're not exposed to it constantly. ? by omeero90(2

我現(xiàn)在在鄰國，自己都還沒學會分辨各國人，“水平還很差”，所以不會對別人做判斷。我覺得這很正常啦，如果你平時沒接觸這些國家。

Pretty good vibe i think ? by fluffybamf(3

我覺得總體印象還是挺正面的。

rich and religious police with sticks.oh and those police cars ? by lokbomen(3

“有錢的宗教警察，還有他們那些警車。”

What are "those police cars" I'm genuinely intrigued. ? by omeero90(2

他們的警車怎么了？我真心好奇。

Im guessing the stereotype came from those police supercars in Dubai. ? by OneTwoThreeFoolFive(2

估計你說的是迪拜的超級跑車警車那種。

yeah tbh i still cant tell any of the nations in middle east apart just from map yet. ? by lokbomen

對，說實話我現(xiàn)在都還分不清中東國家的地理位置。

apart from money or oil, not much else. no opinions on religion, culture, or politics. Ur starting as a clean slate basically ? by stonk_lord_(2

除了錢和石油，其他我沒什么印象……宗教、文化、政治我也不了解。你算是一張干凈的白紙。

Amazing that's so refreshing tbh. ? by omeero90(2

太棒了，說實話這樣挺令人耳目一新的（笑）。

a rich buddy. we hope u can buy more more more ? by Yunwuliaorao(2

一個“有錢的朋友”。我們希望你能多多購物、多多買買買！

Well I'm a student so I don't think I'll buy much but I'm planning on shopping lol. ? by omeero90(2

哈哈我還在讀書，所以估計買不了什么，但購物我肯定會的！

If you’re strict about your diet you might need to make your dining plans in advance. ? by Cuppa-Tea-Biscuit(2

如果你對飲食比較講究，可能要提前規(guī)劃吃飯的地方。

Dress like one. You will be royalty. ? by DrCalFun(2

穿得像個沙特人，你會被當“王子”一樣對待。

Lol imagine if I did that so cringe-worthy ? by omeero90

哈哈想想就尷尬，太中二了吧。

Don’t worry at all. They’ll love you. ? by thedalailamma(2

別擔心，他們一定會很歡迎你的。

No bad opinion. You might be viewed as super rich. Just make sure to brush up a bit Mandarin if you are venturing outside big cities. ? by Horror_Cry_6250(2

大家對你印象可能就是“超級有錢”。如果你要去大城市之外的地方，最好提前學點中文。

You’re asking the internet savvy crowd here. Depending on where you go, the majority might not know what Saudi Arabia is. And you may get mistaken for being a “westerner” or American/European.
On the off chance they do, all they think is you’re rich. That may be a good or bad thing. ? bY LEEgiovanni(4

你現(xiàn)在是在問一群上網用戶的意見啦。但在你去的地方，大多數(shù)人可能甚至不知道“沙特阿拉伯”是哪個國家。
也可能有人會以為你是“西方人”或者美歐人士。如果他們知道你來自沙特，那印象多半就是“你很有錢”。這可能是好事，也可能是壞事。

Pardon me, but even a middle-schooler in China could locate Saudi Arabia on a map...unlike some certain nation(s) where geography is optional and ignorance is bliss. Just saying. ? by Fc1145141919810(8

打擾一下，就算是中國初中生也能在地圖上找到沙特……不像某些國家，地理只是“選修課”，無知被當成福氣（笑）。

Yeah I'm not delusional enough to think my country is the center of the world to be known globally by every person, but I know it's a topic of discussion. I don't think I'm light skinned enough to be considered "westren" but according to people I may be a little ethnically ambiguous. ? by omeero90(2

我沒那么天真，不會覺得我的國家是“世界中心”，每個人都該知道。但我知道這確實是個容易引發(fā)討論的話題。我皮膚不夠白，不會被誤認成“西方人”，但有人說我有點民族特征模糊（笑）

Chinese girls love arabs. Have a good time ? by janopack(3

中國妹子很喜歡阿拉伯人。祝你玩得開心！

they expect you to spit out gold along the way. ? by [dexed]

大家會覺得你“走路都會掉金子”。

Very very rich muslim friends ? by groovyoung

“超級有錢的穆斯林朋友”——印象基本就這樣。

In my view, Saudi Arabia is a stable and long-term partner, that's it. In the Middle East, Saudi Arabia seems to be the most worthwhile country to do business with. When China was poor, we completed an arms order, and the money from Saudi Arabia helped our country's development. As a Chinese, the only thing I am curious about is the education method within the Saudi royal family. Many Saudi crown princes seem to be more shrewd and full of wisdom, but as we all know, money breeds laziness, which does not seem to work in Saudi Arabia. ? by SeniorTomatillo7669

在我看來，沙特是一個穩(wěn)定而長期的合作伙伴，就這樣。在中東，沙特算是最值得合作的國家。當年中國還很貧窮時，我們完成了一筆軍火交易，沙特的錢對我們的發(fā)展很重要。作為中國人，我唯一好奇的是沙特皇室內部的教育方式。很多沙特王儲看起來都很聰明、有遠見，但眾所周知，金錢容易滋養(yǎng)懶惰，這點在沙特似乎并不成立。

Rich Oil Exporter, Also let me remind you that possession of drugs in China is a felony just like in Saudi Arabia, so don't do it, several foreigners who don't understand this have been sentenced to prison and even death for it. ? by cordis000

沙特是“富裕的石油出口國”。另外提醒一下：中國持有毒品和沙特一樣是重罪，千萬別碰。有些外國人不懂規(guī)則，結果被判監(jiān)禁甚至死刑。

Never ever, I'm all for respecting the rules ? by omeero90

絕不可能，我一向尊重法律

Shanghai Hangkui Machinery Trading Co. Ltd is the biggest scammers in Shanghai, they are not selling excavators or machinery, They put some machines on display to Scam International customers. Be Aware and DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THESE SCAMMERS. The owner of the company is the biggest Scammer named Martin Chen and his partner Emma is fooling people by sending fake machines videos and pictures. So many people complained that they received deposit against heavy machinery and not responding. Our company paid deposit of 28,000$ against 2 Komatsu machines for over a month, When we dig more on internet about this company we found that this is very common practice for them to scam international customers. They have account on Alibaba but they do not deal through Alibaba by making false stories. Please spread this to save more people from them. They have very structured set up in Shanghai to Scam people. ? by Crazy-Letterhead8492

警告：中國上海的“上海航魁機械貿易有限公司”是騙子公司。他們假裝賣挖掘機和工程設備，展示一些機器來騙國際客戶。老板叫 Martin Chen，和搭檔 Emma 會發(fā)一些假視頻和照片騙定金。我們公司被騙了 2 臺小松機器的 28000 美元定金。他們在阿里巴巴有賬號，但不通過平臺交易，請大家注意，不要被騙！

Rich and stupid. Watch out for scams.Also girls would want to marry you ? by bathroomdestoryer

沙特人=又有錢又傻。小心詐騙。而且很多女生會想嫁給你。

Seeing alot of people respond with 'rich' like it's a positive trait. Yes, saudis are materially wealthy but spiritually they are absolutely bankrupt. They're incapable of producing any sort of high culture or art and just exist to enjoy materialistic pleasures. ? by RD__Society

看到這么多人把“有錢”當好事……是的，沙特人是物質富有，但精神上完全破產。他們幾乎無法創(chuàng)造真正的文化或藝術，只是活在享樂主義里。

The memes are rich and stupid. Like Saudi just throw money at any problem instead of trying to solve it themselves. ? by arstarsta

這些段子說沙特人只會“用錢砸問題”，不解決問題。

What's wrong with using money to make things go away, everyone with money does that. ? by omeero90(2

有錢解決問題，有什么不好？每個有錢人都這么干吧？

It depends on how you got the money. If you got the money from winning the oil lottery then you aren't rich from skills but just lucky.It's also about ability. Like you know how to drive but are rich enough for a chauffeur vs you can't even drive. ? by arstarsta

關鍵看你錢怎么來的。如果是“中了石油彩票”，那靠的不是能力，而是運氣。還要看你有沒有能力，比如：你會開車但請得起司機 vs 你連車都不會開。

Isn't all about luck! Without it you don't have the assets. How you cultivate that luck and grow it is the true test of skill. ? by omeero90(2

光靠運氣還不夠，沒有資產你連賭的資格都沒有。真正的本事是，看你怎么利用“運氣”并讓它持續(xù)帶來回報。

Yes but what have Saudi actually achieved outside of selling oil? Do you invest the money to create any companies like Coca cola, Google, Siemens or Huawei? ? by arstarsta

是啊，但除了賣石油，沙特實際上還成就了什么？你們有沒有拿這些錢去創(chuàng)辦什么像可口可樂、谷歌、西門子或者華為那樣的公司？”

Well I'm not knowledgeable about these things but tell me if you had the number one sought after resource that wars is waged around wouldn't you build your economy around it? Invest in it in every shape or form?Especially that you're a baby country that started from scratch and made itself in less than 100 years? I don't know about you but from a desolate desert to a thriving economy in that time frx I call it a success. ? by omeero90(3

“我對這方面了解不多，但你告訴我：如果你掌握了一個全球爭搶、引發(fā)戰(zhàn)爭的頭號資源，難道你不會圍繞它構建你的經濟？不會用各種方式投資、利用它？尤其你是一個幾乎從零開始的年輕國家，在不到100年的時間里把自己發(fā)展成今天這樣？我不知道你怎么看，但從一片荒漠到如今的繁榮經濟體，我覺得這就是一種成功?！?br />