為什么在中國室內(nèi)吸煙在孩子周圍這一現(xiàn)象如此普遍，他們不知道這的危害嗎？

Sake-Gin
There’s just no escaping it either. You can’t even go to a toilet in a mall without having to share it with at least 3 dudes turning it into a smoking lounge. Why would you wanna hang out smoking where people are taking a dump?

而且根本無處可逃。你甚至不能去商場的廁所，至少要和三個把它變成吸煙室的男人共用。為什么要在人們方便的地方抽煙閑逛？

jcoigny to Sake-Gin
Because they frown on you smoking in the stores

因為他們在店里對你抽煙表示不滿

McBang69 to jcoigny 
Wonder if they would frown on people who poop in the stores while someone is smoking in there.

不知道他們會不會對有人在店里抽煙時拉屎的人表示不滿

No_Independent8195 to Sake-Gin
Because they're probably going to take a dump after. I always start my day with a coffee and a cigarette to get the mud flowing so to speak.

因為他們之后很可能要拉屎。我每天總是以一杯咖啡和一支煙開始，可以說這是為了讓"泥漿"流動起來。

General_Spills to Sake-Gin
It acts as an air freshener and covers up the smell of shit

它能充當(dāng)空氣清新劑，掩蓋糞便的臭味

DefamedPrawn
I remember when I was in a village in Guangxi for a month, back in 2014. Not only did people smoke indoors, but as there was no garbage collection, they would actually burn their rubbish indoors as well. Didn't seem to be even vaguely aware of the dangerous gases you get from molten plastics.

記得 2014 年在廣西某個村子住了一個月，那里的人不僅室內(nèi)抽煙，由于沒有垃圾回收系統(tǒng)，他們甚至直接在屋里焚燒垃圾。似乎完全沒意識到熔融塑料會產(chǎn)生有毒氣體。

werpu to DefamedPrawn
Yes no shit, I do 3d printing, and above certain temperatures I definitely print with all garage doors open (I print in the garage because of the fume isse, good thing is, if you go above a certain threshold and/or print certain materials you know immediately because the stench of the fumes is everywhere!
But with asa... doors open and I only go near the printer with a gas mask during printing!

可不是嘛！我做 3D 打印時，超過特定溫度就絕對要敞開所有車庫門（選擇在車庫打印就是因為煙霧問題）。有意思的是，當(dāng)超過某個臨界值或打印特定材料時，你立刻就能知道——因為整個空間都會彌漫著刺鼻的化學(xué)氣味！
但用 ASA 材料打印時...必須開著門，而且打印過程中只有戴著防毒面具才敢靠近打印機(jī)！

luffyuk
Lack of education and social peer pressure within older generations.

老一輩人缺乏教育與社會同輩壓力。

xiaokan to luffyuk
Exactly, Key is older generation. New generation the Smoking, Drinking is dying down.

確實，關(guān)鍵在于老一輩。新一代的吸煙、飲酒現(xiàn)象正在減少。

JonnotheMackem
Because it’s China and nobody cares. That’s the simple answer.

因為這是中國，沒人在乎。這就是簡單的答案。

jcoigny to JonnotheMackem
Been that way for 2000 years why change what isn't broken

兩千年來一直如此，何必改變沒問題的東西

Odd_Loquat8173 to JonnotheMackem
True I wish if we had designated smoking rooms like Japan

沒錯，真希望我們能像日本那樣設(shè)立專門的吸煙室

MaryPaku to Odd_Loquat8173
Japan was like that too literally 10 years ago.
People love to say Japan has a rigid culture and rarely change but the difference is quite obvious. For now smoking is only acceptable at drinking places otherwise no smoking became the norm quickly.

十年前日本也是這樣。
人們總愛說日本文化刻板缺乏變化，但差異其實相當(dāng)明顯。如今吸煙僅限飲酒場所，禁煙規(guī)范迅速普及開來。

yingdong to MaryPaku
Same in south Korea. Used to smoke everywhere and now not.

韓國情況類似。過去隨處吸煙，如今已不復(fù)見。

LadyNemesiss to yingdong
Same in the Netherlands. Smoking in bars and restaurants and such is forbidden since 2008. It was however still allowed to have a designated and secluded smoking area until 2019! Just as long as it was a closed off area without personnel.

荷蘭亦是如此。自 2008 年起酒吧餐廳等場所全面禁煙。但直到 2019 年仍允許設(shè)置獨(dú)立封閉的吸煙區(qū)——只要該區(qū)域與員工工作區(qū)完全隔離即可。

yingdong to LadyNemesiss
How about coffee shops?

在咖啡館怎么樣？

Travisscoop to yingdong
Smoking cigs is classified differently to smoking weed

吸煙和吸大麻被歸類為不同性質(zhì)的行為

LadyNemesiss to yingdong
Well you can't have tobacco in it....

畢竟你不能在里頭摻煙草啊...

radicaldreamer99
chauvinism and low trust society. The gov could crack down on this if they wanted, but most of them are chain smokers too!

大男子主義與低信任社會使然。政府若真想整治本可出手，但官員們多半自己就是老煙槍！

staysaltylol to radicaldreamer99
Tobacco is one of their state owned enterprises. Why would they discourage it

煙草可是他們的國有企業(yè)。怎么會自斷財源呢

radicaldreamer99 to staysaltylol 
Because the health costs of smoking dwarf any profits that can be made by selling tobacco. Killing this industry will pay long term dividends for generations.
Aren’t the Chinese saying that their time horizon is thousands of years? Well here’s a concrete thing they can do to live up to that ideal.

因為吸煙造成的醫(yī)療支出遠(yuǎn)超煙草銷售利潤。取締這個行業(yè)將為子孫后代帶來長遠(yuǎn)的健康紅利。
中國人不是常說他們的眼光跨越千年嗎？那這件事正是踐行這一理想的切實舉措。

Informal_Alarm_5369 to radicaldreamer99
Getting tobacco revenue and reducing life expectancy to avoid retirement payouts is a 2-for-1 deal you can hardly find elsewhere

既能獲取煙草稅收，又能通過降低預(yù)期壽命來減少養(yǎng)老金支出，這種一箭雙雕的好事在其他地方可找不到

staysaltylol to radicaldreamer99
Huh politicians who think of long term benefits vs short term gains?

咦？居然有政客考慮長遠(yuǎn)利益而非短期收益？

Draxx01 to radicaldreamer99
You have it backwards. The health costs are pro smoking from a governmental pov due to old age and long term care costs. The math might vary based on retirement age but I think some study ran the numbers and assumed if ppl keeled over sooner it actually worked out better given the number of pensioners.

你搞反了。從政府角度看，由于老齡化和長期護(hù)理成本，健康支出實際上是支持吸煙的。具體計算可能因退休年齡而異，但有研究測算過，假設(shè)人們早逝的話，考慮到領(lǐng)取養(yǎng)老金的人數(shù)，結(jié)果反而更劃算。

pinkpotatoes86
They don't give a flying f###! 
Some restaurants ban it but otherwise your regular mom and pops restaurants is like the wild wild west for kids. They are an afterthought

他們才不在乎呢！
有些餐館會禁止，但普通家庭餐館對孩子來說就像狂野西部。他們根本不會考慮這些

PMG2021a
It used to be the same in the US. Took decades to change and will probably be the same in China. 

美國過去也是這樣。改變花了幾十年時間，中國可能也會經(jīng)歷同樣的過程。

Mysteriouskid00 to PMG2021a
I remember as a child sitting on a plane and people smoked.
China is like a time warp to early 80’s US

記得小時候坐飛機(jī)時，乘客還能抽煙。
中國就像穿越回 80 年代初的美國

alcopandada to Mysteriouskid00
I remember me myself smoking on the plane when I flew to Beijing in 2000. And the old dude on the bus in Shanghai who was sharing smokes with me. Wild times.
I do not smoke in public places now (and I quit cigarettes more than decade ago).

2000 年飛北京時，我自己就在飛機(jī)上抽過煙。還有上海公交車上那個和我分享香煙的老頭。真是瘋狂的年代。
我現(xiàn)在從不在公共場所抽煙（而且十多年前就戒煙了）。

OreoSpamBurger to alcopandada
I was on an Air China flight in 2000 where passengers were definitely smoking in the cabin.

2000 年我乘坐國航航班時，機(jī)艙里確實有乘客在吸煙。

DigMeTX to Mysteriouskid00
When I was a kid in the 80’s we took a greyhound bus somewhere once and my brother had a major asthma attack from people smoking on the bus.

80 年代我還是個孩子時，有次我們乘坐灰狗巴士，車上有人抽煙導(dǎo)致我兄弟哮喘嚴(yán)重發(fā)作。

Visionist7 to Mysteriouskid00
People still smoke on Air China flights - including the crew.
Delta crew routinely admit to vaping despite it being against the rules. Girl I met on holiday last month freely admitted to vaping on the plane. She also didn't have travel insurance.

如今國航航班上依然有人吸煙——包括機(jī)組人員。
達(dá)美航空機(jī)組人員經(jīng)常承認(rèn)在飛機(jī)上吸電子煙，盡管這違反規(guī)定。上個月度假時認(rèn)識的女孩就坦率承認(rèn)在飛機(jī)上吸過電子煙，而且她還沒買旅行保險。

No_Independent8195 to Visionist7
How do they get around this without setting of the smoke alarms? I presume that the cabins also smell of smoke?

他們是怎么做到不觸發(fā)煙霧警報的？我猜機(jī)艙里也會有煙味吧？

pineapplesandsand to No_Independent8195
You have to blow cigarette smoke straight into a smoke detector for it to detect it.

必須把香煙煙霧直接吹進(jìn)煙霧探測器才會觸發(fā)警報。

Visionist7 to No_Independent8195
They can't easily detect vape smoke. In future that might change as regulations get tighter

電子煙產(chǎn)生的煙霧不容易被探測到。隨著監(jiān)管趨嚴(yán)，未來這種情況可能會改變

kansai2kansas to PMG2021a
The US is pretty bad in a lot of things (e.g. shootings, obesity rates, healthcare costs), but when it comes to reducing smoking rates, the country has done the right thing.

美國在很多方面表現(xiàn)糟糕（比如槍擊事件、肥胖率、醫(yī)療費(fèi)用），但在降低吸煙率方面，這個國家確實做對了。

SnowboardMan63 to kansai2kansas
Cigarettes maybe, but high schools basically have vape clouds surrounding them these days

香煙或許減少了，但如今高中校園周圍基本被電子煙云霧籠罩著

No_Independent8195 to kansai2kansas
Yeah...I mean, you can wear a mask to stop inhaling the smoke if you really want to but I'm not so sure about having to send my kids to school with a bullet proof vest or have them eat the processed shit they call American processed food.
I wouldn't take it as a win, I'd say it's a neutral.

確實...我的意思是，如果你真介意的話可以戴口罩避免吸入煙霧，但我實在不確定是否該讓孩子穿著防彈背心去上學(xué)，或者讓他們吃那些所謂的美國加工食品垃圾。
我不會把這視為勝利，只能說是個中性結(jié)果。

pantsfish to No_Independent8195
Homicide rates and youth violence rates have also fallen sharply in the US over the decades, despite the headlines.

盡管新聞頭條駭人聽聞，但幾十年來美國的兇殺率和青少年暴力率其實已大幅下降。

nolagirl100281 to pantsfish
I think they are probably referring to the mass shootings... One that has not fallen. And curiously happens far more in the US than other countries. Not that it doesn't happen but it just happens so so much more in the US

我想他們可能指的是大規(guī)模槍擊事件...這個數(shù)字確實沒有下降。而且奇怪的是，美國發(fā)生的頻率遠(yuǎn)高于其他國家。不是說別國沒有，只是美國發(fā)生的次數(shù)實在多太多了。

Accurate-Tie-2144 to PMG2021a
we need time，old man and crazy too much

我們需要時間，老兄，而且瘋狂過頭了

RagingMachismo to PMG2021a
I used to eat in the smoking section of Pizza Hut with my dad in America in the 90s. It was hugely normal.
The worst habit of Americans is to criticize other nations “how dare they not share our universal values of XX”. Like, we didn’t even have legal interracial marriage until <60 years ago. That’s kind of fucked up.

90 年代在美國，我常和父親在必勝客的吸煙區(qū)用餐。這在當(dāng)時再正常不過了。
美國人最糟糕的習(xí)慣就是指責(zé)別國"竟敢不認(rèn)同我們 XX 的普世價值觀"。要知道，直到 60 年前我們才實現(xiàn)跨種族婚姻合法化——這本身就夠離譜的。

PMG2021a to RagingMachismo
Unfortunately, many of the people in the US who feel like the US is superior want to return to many of the values from 60 years ago. Lot of progress has been rolled back recently. 

可悲的是，許多自認(rèn)美國優(yōu)越的民眾，恰恰渴望回歸 60 年前的價值觀。近年來我們已經(jīng)見證太多進(jìn)步被逆轉(zhuǎn)。

westcoastal to RagingMachismo
I agree that Americans are insufferable and hypocritical, but is smoking around small children a 'value' that should be defended and preserved?

我承認(rèn)美國人確實傲慢虛偽，但圍著幼兒抽煙這種"價值觀"也值得捍衛(wèi)保留嗎？

No_Independent8195 to RagingMachismo
A voice of sanity. There are so many arrogant Westerners who don't understand that the world doesn't revolve around their rules and concepts. Other places will eventually catch up.

理性的聲音。太多傲慢的西方人不明白世界并非圍繞他們的規(guī)則和概念運(yùn)轉(zhuǎn)，其他地方終將迎頭趕上。

only2char
Because these uncivilized assholes seriously think that smoking is harmless to human body
因為這些未開化的混蛋真心認(rèn)為吸煙對人體無害

MrYig
Tobacco is big biz in China. In fact, China is the world's biggest producer and consumer of tobacco with $213B in revenue in 2022, and the production is fully state-owned.
Also, people do not like confrontation nor do they like taking responsibility out of fear of repercussions.
So, you have a country with a quarter of the population as smokers (over half of the adult men), the average person not willing to speak up about it and the government not incentivized to actually enforce.

煙草在中國是門大生意。實際上，中國是全球最大的煙草生產(chǎn)和消費(fèi)國，2022 年收入達(dá) 2130 億美元，且生產(chǎn)完全由國家掌控。
此外，人們不喜歡對抗，也因害怕后果而不愿承擔(dān)責(zé)任。
因此，你面對的是一個四分之一人口吸煙（成年男性中超過半數(shù)）、普通人對此不愿發(fā)聲、政府也缺乏實際執(zhí)法動力的國家。

deltabay17 to MrYig
Tobacco was a big biz in every country, usually producing a good amount of tax revenue. But advanced countries have worked out the costs of smoking to the health system outweigh the gains

煙草曾是各國的重要產(chǎn)業(yè)，通常能創(chuàng)造可觀的稅收。但發(fā)達(dá)國家已計算出吸煙對醫(yī)療體系造成的成本超過了其收益。

No_Independent8195 to MrYig
Tobacco is a big business everywhere.

煙草在任何地方都是大生意。

GetOutOfTheWhey
No clue,    
I hate it too. The waiters at restaurants are always so powerless.
I wish management would hire a person, whose sole job is to wear plain clothes and squirt at the lit cigarettes and run away.
If the rules dont work and no one enforces them, vigilantism is the only way in this circumstance. Change my view.

不清楚，我也很討厭這樣。餐廳的服務(wù)員總是無能為力。
我希望管理層能雇一個人，專門穿便衣對著點(diǎn)燃的香煙噴水然后跑掉。
如果規(guī)定形同虛設(shè)又無人執(zhí)行，在這種情況下私刑正義就是唯一出路。來改變我的看法吧。

hueyl77
I have 2 children age 6 and 8. I have politely asked someone to stop smoking because of my kids in elevators kaorou restaurants arcades, etc. when ask politely and the kids are right there they always put out their cigarettes.
My wife’s family smoked like a chimney at one of the family gathering in apartment. I didn’t want to insult her family so I took the kids and left. They were all shocked. My wife got kinda mad about it but I don’t care

我有兩個 6 歲和 8 歲的孩子。在電梯、烤肉店、商場等場所，當(dāng)孩子們在場時，我都會禮貌地請人不要吸煙。只要禮貌請求且孩子們就在旁邊，對方總會掐滅香煙。
在一次公寓里的家庭聚會上，我妻子家的人都像煙囪一樣吞云吐霧。我不想冒犯她的家人，就帶著孩子們離開了。他們都很震驚。我妻子對此有點(diǎn)生氣，但我不在乎

hueyl77 to hueyl77
I think the danger of second hand smoke isn’t as well taught to the general public in China. No big government campaign to bring it to the awareness of the masses

我認(rèn)為在中國，二手煙的危害還沒有被很好地普及給大眾。政府沒有開展大規(guī)模宣傳活動來提高人們的意識

Silver-Statement-987
1 big reason is the ridiculous revenue of China Tobacco (state-owned). For instance they have revenue of 1.5 trillion yuan ($210 billion) in fiscal year 2023. Big revenue big tax for govt plus a highly valued point: Huge company that employs around half a million workers.
Another is the cig-alcohol culture in Chinese business. Minus one and it's a big deal.
These above is making it very hard for any practical crackdown or strong initiatives for any non smoking enforcement.
Sad but true

一個重要原因是中國煙草（國有企業(yè)）的荒謬收入。例如，他們在 2023 財年的收入達(dá)到 1.5 萬億元人民幣（2100 億美元）。巨額收入意味著政府能獲得大量稅收，還有一個重要因素：這家大公司雇傭了約 50 萬名員工
另一個原因是中國商務(wù)場合的煙酒文化。少了其中一樣都是大事
上述情況使得任何實際的禁煙執(zhí)法或強(qiáng)硬舉措都難以推行。
可悲但事實如此

werpu
European here, I grew up in the 70s, and smole was everywhere, my father was a chain smoker so i could not escape it, but even if he would not have smoked you literally had the stench everywhere where you entered a room. Bars wor the worst but even offices public spaces etc...
I am glad that we have been weaning off for quite a while, China probably just is behind in this development but it will come around as well!

作為歐洲人，我在 70 年代長大，那時煙霧無處不在。我父親是個老煙槍，所以我無處可逃。但即便他不抽煙，你走進(jìn)任何房間都會聞到煙臭味。酒吧是最糟糕的，但辦公室、公共場所等也都一樣...
很高興我們已經(jīng)逐漸擺脫這種狀況很久了，中國在這方面的進(jìn)展可能相對滯后，但遲早也會迎來轉(zhuǎn)變！

zixiv0406
China's tobacco industry is state-monopolized. Meanwhile, China has a huge smoking population, which generates huge tax revenue every year. Many local governments have little interest in banning smoking in public places. Therefore, although some policies prohibiting smoking in public places have been introduced, there are few inspections in practice. At present, only first-tier cities such as Shanghai and Shenzhen have relatively strict smoking bans in China. In Shenzhen, you can report smoking in public places through official channels at any time, and the government imposes a fine of 50-500 RMB on those who violate the smoking ban regulations. In addition, many young people now rarely smoke, which is a good trend in the long run.

中國煙草行業(yè)實行國家專營制度。與此同時，中國擁有龐大的吸煙人口，每年產(chǎn)生巨額稅收。許多地方政府對公共場所禁煙缺乏積極性。因此盡管已出臺部分公共場所禁煙政策，但實際執(zhí)行中鮮少開展檢查。目前國內(nèi)僅上海、深圳等一線城市實行相對嚴(yán)格的禁煙令。在深圳，你可以隨時通過官方渠道舉報公共場所吸煙行為，政府對違反禁煙規(guī)定者處以 50-500 元罰款。此外，現(xiàn)在許多年輕人很少吸煙，從長遠(yuǎn)來看這是個好趨勢。

Palaceviking
Do you get less of this in the more 'cosmopolitan' areas?

在更"國際化"的區(qū)域，這種情況會少些嗎？

SheFingeredMe to Palaceviking
Not in my experience.
You’re right to put the key word in quotation marks. What counts as cosmopolitan here is very different compared to anywhere else.

根據(jù)我的經(jīng)驗并非如此。
你把關(guān)鍵詞打上引號是對的。這里所謂的"國際化"，與其他任何地方的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)都大不相同。

Palaceviking to SheFingeredMe
Kinda sad that they're not more anti-smoking(even though I'm a smoker myself)and universal healthcare will be a few decades away at best after the money printing fest of 2008 & 2015. I'm from the country with the best healthcare in the world (value for money wise) and the government is pretty strongly anti smoking even though it generates fucktons of tax revenue.

令人遺憾的是他們反吸煙力度不夠（雖然我自己也抽煙），而全民醫(yī)保在 2008 和 2015 年大放水之后，至少還要等幾十年才能實現(xiàn)。我來自全球性價比最高的醫(yī)保體系國家，即便煙草帶來巨額稅收，政府仍強(qiáng)力推行禁煙政策。